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    • 2019 MKV Toyota Supra to get BMW B48 2.0 liter four-cylinder based model with 265 horsepower and a ZF automatic

      Just when we think the new Supra is going to be awesome we get some info showing it is not shaping up as expected. According to Road and Track, the MKV Supra will get a four-cylinder variant based on the BMW B48 turbo four-cylinder motor.


      This will be mated to a ZF automatic transmission. Lame? Lame:


      The Toyota Supra in its history never had a four-cylinder motor. It always utilized an inline-6. This choice shows Toyota is not interested in their heritage or building a true successor but keeping costs low with what is essentially a reskinned Z4.

      Sure the four-cylinder will be lighter and provide plenty of power but to have four generations of Supras renowned for their I6 engines and throw that all away just for a cash grab is quite sad.

      This is a BMW parts bin Supra.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2019 MKV Toyota Supra to get BMW B48 2.0 liter four-cylinder based model with 265 horsepower and a ZF automatic started by Sticky View original post
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      1. subaru335i's Avatar
        subaru335i -
        Yeah weren't there rumors that the supra would be way lighter than the Z4? Thats probably bull$#@! too.
        If it really is just cosmetically different with maybe different suspension tuning like the BRZ vs FRS it will be a damn shame.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Supposedly this document is dated, relates to early prototypes. Although the 4cyclinder is BMW unit, also US might not get the 4cylinder. But the 6cylinder is not just a B58. It is co-developed with BMW, but Toyota went their owner direction with the help of Yamaha. Couple insiders that have been spot on with some early predictions, claiming even the block material is different.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Supposedly this document is dated, relates to early prototypes. Although the 4cyclinder is BMW unit, also US might not get the 4cylinder. But the 6cylinder is not just a B58. It is co-developed with BMW, but Toyota went their owner direction with the help of Yamaha. Couple insiders that have been spot on with some early predictions, claiming even the block material is different.
        Let's hope this is the case.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Tada did say 300kg lighter and same torque as F series Lexus. Everyone is banking he talking about RC-F. So that would put it at 1495kg or 3295lbs and have 390tq. He also revealed the car will have lower center of gravity than the GT86 and 50:50 weigh distribution. Car has a completely neutral balance in all aspects of a corner. Twice the chassis rigidity of GT86, shorter wheelbase than GT86. No exotic materials(aluminum/steel), maintain affordability.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Supposedly this document is dated, relates to early prototypes. Although the 4cyclinder is BMW unit, also US might not get the 4cylinder. But the 6cylinder is not just a B58. It is co-developed with BMW, but Toyota went their owner direction with the help of Yamaha. Couple insiders that have been spot on with some early predictions, claiming even the block material is different.
        I found that very hard to believe. Toyota of all manufacturers is the least likely condidate to develope one engine strictly for a niche market that doesnít have high enough price tag to cover development expenses. Even the vulnerable JZ family was first a Crown/Chaser/Soarer mover then become the 2JZ-GTE. They have their 3.5 V6, itís very unlikely they ditch that engine and use an I6 in their line up IMO. I also donít believe BMW is using N57 diesel iron block for added strength.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        I'm ok with a 4cyl model... if it weighs in the 2,800lb ballpark, wet.
      1. LessIsMore's Avatar
        LessIsMore -
        It won't be near that IMO, my guess is this thing will be 3300+ lbs. Especially if it comes with some sort of 6-cyl.

        If BMW and Toyota specifically partnered on a 6 cyl, it's hard to believe they wouldn't use it in this chassis.

        However ... gotta admit, the 4-cyl sounds all-too likely, given the industry trend, Toyota, etc.

        Perhaps it will be market-specific, with both 4 and 6-cyl options?
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        I am hopeful that they did go to Yamaha to upgrade the B58...we all know thanks to forums like this one that basic bolt-on mods (intake, exhaust, etc.) can make a huge difference while remaining quite reliable and smog friendly...even something slightly more involved like optimized turbo internals can boost the output to what we/fans would consider respectable levels.

        After all Yamaha built the Lexus LFA V10....so I would trust them to upgrade the B58
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Iron block is gaining more traction in rumor mill, some mentioning CGI.
      1. IllSic_Design's Avatar
        IllSic_Design -
        Very close insiders say that the B58 used will not be a regular B58, but an iron or CGI block as mentioned above. They have also reportedly messed with the head to make it flow better and Yamaha is tuning the sound. The 4cylinder isn't supposed to be brought to the US market but it is sounding more and more like it will be.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LessIsMore Click here to enlarge
        It won't be near that IMO, my guess is this thing will be 3300+ lbs. Especially if it comes with some sort of 6-cyl.

        If BMW and Toyota specifically partnered on a 6 cyl, it's hard to believe they wouldn't use it in this chassis.

        However ... gotta admit, the 4-cyl sounds all-too likely, given the industry trend, Toyota, etc.

        Perhaps it will be market-specific, with both 4 and 6-cyl options?
        A four-cylinder doesn't belong in a Supra. Period.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by IllSic_Design Click here to enlarge
        Very close insiders say that the B58 used will not be a regular B58, but an iron or CGI block as mentioned above. They have also reportedly messed with the head to make it flow better and Yamaha is tuning the sound. The 4cylinder isn't supposed to be brought to the US market but it is sounding more and more like it will be.
        I like everything here except for the four-cylinder.

        I get it's easy to plug it in considering it mates right up with what BMW is already providing but come on... it's like a Viper with a V8.
      1. IllSic_Design's Avatar
        IllSic_Design -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I like everything here except for the four-cylinder.

        I get it's easy to plug it in considering it mates right up with what BMW is already providing but come on... it's like a Viper with a V8.
        Well they are bringing the Supra back with an I6 and turbo'd so it is still in line with it's heritage. But you also have to look at it from the business perspective and I'm sure a bunch of people(not hardcore Supra enthusiasts) would not mind having the 4cyl version, especially if it is one of the lighter weight models at or under 3k lbs.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by IllSic_Design Click here to enlarge
        But you also have to look at it from the business perspective and I'm sure a bunch of people(not hardcore Supra enthusiasts) would not mind having the 4cyl version, especially if it is one of the lighter weight models at or under 3k lbs.
        One of the most profitable car companies in the world is turning their iconic sports car into a parts bin BMW.

        These same people can afford to build a $350k V10 Lexus for a few dozen people in the world but somehow can't figure out how to make a Supra again?
      1. IllSic_Design's Avatar
        IllSic_Design -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        One of the most profitable car companies in the world is turning their iconic sports car into a parts bin BMW.

        These same people can afford to build a $350k V10 Lexus for a few dozen people in the world but somehow can't figure out how to make a Supra again?
        I agree, all along I've wondered why bring back the Supra name if you're just going to slap it on a re-skinned z4. Even if they do their own suspension tuning, etc.. to it, it's still based off the same architecture as the Z4 so it can only be so much "better"/different.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A four-cylinder doesn't belong in a Supra. Period.
        I was going to be a smart ass and refer to a Mark I or ii Supra, but was surprised to find they've always been i6 with no other options available. This really is a bastardization of the name.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        I was going to be a smart ass and refer to a Mark I or ii Supra, but was surprised to find they've always been i6 with no other options available.
        Why would you ever doubt me?
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        I was going to be a smart ass and refer to a Mark I or ii Supra, but was surprised to find they've always been i6 with no other options available. This really is a bastardization of the name.
        To be fair a turbo 4cyl in the MKV will wipe the floor with the NA I6 they had in 1998 MKIV, base model vs base model....so I6 tradition aside, the MKV base wins in power:weight department...

        MKIV Supra NA (base model)
        3,300lbs
        225hp 220tq

        MKV Supra 4cyl (base model)
        2,900lbs
        260hp 260tq

        Also, if Porsche can go 4cyl for its Boxster and Cayman sports car offerings, why can't Toyota?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Also, if Porsche can go 4cyl for its Boxster and Cayman sports car offerings, why can't Toyota?
        Because Supra = I6
      1. F222's Avatar
        F222 -
        Doesnt the pic here shows 6 cyl is also available ? u just hv to pay more