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    • BMW S58 M power for the Supra? What the GR Racing Supra Concept tells us about the upcoming 2019/2020 MKV Toyota Supra

      The GR Racing Supra Concept essentially gives you an idea of the production styling of the new MKV Toyota Supra but not much else. The car they are going racing with can accommodate a variety of powertrains including a naturally aspirated V8.


      The street car is going to have a turbocharged inline-6 engine and a manual transmission option. The engine is almost certainly coming from BMW and the question is will it be a B58 as internal documents support or something else?

      Toyota's chief engineer of the project said the following in a Car and Driver Interview:

      - Strictly 2-seater
      - Manual and automatic
      - Race car and street car developed in tandem
      - Front engine, rear wheel drive (duh)
      - Tuneable
      - 50/50 weight distrubtion
      - Active rear diff

      Top Gear essentially pulled from their rear end that the S55 from the F80 M3 and F82 M4 would be utilized but considering an S58 replacement based on the B58 is on the way the newer engine would make much more sense.

      Would BMW give the Supra an M engine though? Would it really be a Supra with a BMW powerplant?

      We'll find out soon enough.














      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW S58 M power for the Supra? What the GR Racing Supra Concept tells us about the upcoming 2019/2020 MKV Toyota Supra started by Sticky View original post
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      1. leveraged sellout's Avatar
        leveraged sellout -
        Considering Toyota doesn't make a twin turbo I6 anymore, it needs to be a BMW engine. And the B58 is so good, I can't think of a better engine to go inside of it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        And the B58 is so good, I can't think of a better engine to go inside of it.
        An S58.
      1. LessIsMore's Avatar
        LessIsMore -
        B58 is not the tuning wonder that the N54 and S55 are ... so my hope is the S58 (knowing nothing about that engine) and that it is similar to the mod potential of the S55.

        Ps - this car looks like it's going to fantastic, assuming it's not neutered somehow. Curious which is going to be the more attractive version, BMW or Toyota. BMW is going to have to do some serious value-add on their model if they want to sway buyers away from a (presumably) cheaper version with Toyota reliability/quality.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LessIsMore Click here to enlarge
        B58 is not the tuning wonder that the N54 and S55 are
        Why do you say that? The B58 is doing very well.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LessIsMore Click here to enlarge
        so my hope is the S58 (knowing nothing about that engine) and that it is similar to the mod potential of the S55.
        The S58 depends on how much headroom the stock turbos provide but the B58 base is a better starting point for an M motor.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LessIsMore Click here to enlarge
        Ps - this car looks like it's going to fantastic, assuming it's not neutered somehow. Curious which is going to be the more attractive version, BMW or Toyota. BMW is going to have to do some serious value-add on their model if they want to sway buyers away from a (presumably) cheaper version with Toyota reliability/quality.
        BMW may go heavier/larger for more of a GT feel.

        I hated the new Supra at first because it's a mutt but it's growing on me.
      1. yandizzle's Avatar
        yandizzle -
        Price point isnt too shabby..wonder what dealer mark up may be. Any ideas?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yandizzle Click here to enlarge
        wonder what dealer mark up may be. Any ideas?
        Never pay it.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        You have a link to C&D article? Because it is well known the new Supra is going to be auto only. There is already a petition started to get Toyota to offer a manual.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        You have a link to C&D article? Because it is well known the new Supra is going to be auto only. There is already a petition started to get Toyota to offer a manual.
        Manual is unlikely according to Toyota but it's what the fans requested: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...ada-interview/

        I'm not writing it off just yet.

        Offering it without a manual is just so stupid.
      1. yandizzle's Avatar
        yandizzle -
        Oh for sure..no way in hell
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        You have a link to C&D article? Because it is well known the new Supra is going to be auto only. There is already a petition started to get Toyota to offer a manual.
        Here's a better interview: http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/toyota-s...ewed-at-geneva

        Asked point blank about the manual and he neither confirms or denies it.
      1. yandizzle's Avatar
        yandizzle -
        I heard there will be a manual but who knows..some article supposedly quoting a a chief engineer. We know how that goes...