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    • What an Instagram tuner 'Turbo killer/Rod Bender Special' A90/MKV Supra B58 tune looks like - 642 lb-ft of wtq from 'factory turbo'

      This is what you see shared on social media and people eat it up. The tuner claims this is a factory turbo B58 Supra on a 91 octane tune with some ethanol. Well, you are not getting 642+ lb-ft of torque at the wheels out of the factory turbocharger.


      Not unless you're screwing with something. Yet, that is the tuner claim:

      Quote Originally Posted by stimikey
      A Supra I was etuning today in between dyno appointments. Had to post it as it is nothing short of impressive! 91 octane mixed with ethanol. E30 daily mapping. Almost 650wtq! Car is going to roast some serious tire on the street
      Car is going to shoot a rod out of the block is the more like it.

      First of all, the curve is horrible:


      Secondly, how in the hell is that torque figure hit? Hybrid upgrades are not making that amount of torque boost only. Hell, a Pure Turbos hybrid upgraded example with nitrous on top only managed 548 lb-ft of torque at the wheels.

      This guy is claiming almost another 100 lb-ft of torque at the wheels on top of a hybrid turbo upgraded B58 with a shot of nitrous?

      Quote Originally Posted by stimikey
      Iím not one of those timers that make up stories. Everyone gets caught out on BS. This is simply straight hard work and facts my friend.
      Hard work... more like some dyno queen BS at work.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: What an Instagram tuner 'Turbo killer/Rod Bender' special A90/MKV Supra B58 tune looks like - 642 lb-ft of wtq from 'factory turbo' started by Sticky View original post
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      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        LOL instagram tuning at its finest, and yet these guys still get customers. Probably due to the monkey see monkey do phenomenon (cough cough facebook groups) with no critical thinking or research in between.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F87Source Click here to enlarge
        LOL instagram tuning at its finest, and yet these guys still get customers. Probably due to the monkey see monkey do phenomenon (cough cough facebook groups) with no critical thinking or research in between.
        The thing is the guy has curves with nitrous and plenty of factory turbo runs posted and then posts this like its normal?

        Hard work.... LMAO
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Tuning strategy = pull the waste gate line, trick the ECU into seeing reasonable boost (voltage clamp?), dump methanol with a fire hose, and see what happens! Who cares?! It's a customer car and great PR!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Tuning strategy = pull the waste gate line, trick the ECU into seeing reasonable boost (voltage clamp?), dump methanol with a fire hose, and see what happens! Who cares?! It's a customer car and great PR!
        Maybe he played with the gearing too?

        Why would any 'tuner' even post this to brag about? It's idiotic.

        Plus the fuel system can't possibly support that with ethanol.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Tuning strategy = pull the waste gate line, trick the ECU into seeing reasonable boost (voltage clamp?), dump methanol with a fire hose, and see what happens! Who cares?! It's a customer car and great PR!
        They best part is he say this is 'daily' mapping.

        If this is daily mapping wtf does his race mapping look like?
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe he played with the gearing too?

        Why would any 'tuner' even post this to brag about? It's idiotic.

        Plus the fuel system can't possibly support that with ethanol.
        Whatever they did, I'll stick to a point I've made before. Draggy makes it too easy to not back up any new Dyno records that i treat any unsubstantiated claims as just that. As our grandpas used to say at the strip "put up or shut up".
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Tuning strategy = pull the waste gate line, trick the ECU into seeing reasonable boost (voltage clamp?), dump methanol with a fire hose, and see what happens! Who cares?! It's a customer car and great PR!
        Loooool!
        Then make claims that he's the best tuner around and have a hype train develope and hopefully tune more cars before the original one blows. By then the next phase is amass a bunch of mindless zombie followers to bash any haters and hopefully silence any blown motor complaints that may have come back in his direction.

        This reminds me of alot of tuners on the BMW platform and the frs community. It's easier to do this with cars that have strong motors and good protection from the ECU because they are harder to kill and thus tunes don't have to be perfect hence why a crap ton of ots maps exist. That's why I recommend ecutek certified tuners, and cobb protuners (the more certifications the better) because chances are they have had to deal with cars with crap ECU safties or cars with brittle pistons and can blow by looking at it wrong, like the sti and had to really know how to tune the cars as repercussions were easily spotted.

        #instagramtunerspecial
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They best part is he say this is 'daily' mapping.

        If this is daily mapping wtf does his race mapping look like?
        It'll look like a jagged line flying all over the place before his motor blows up. But in that short period of time and a whole bottle of nos 1k horsepower world record lol.
      1. 135idct's Avatar
        135idct -
        hahaClick here to enlarge
      1. Zombie1's Avatar
        Zombie1 -
        Flip that sheet around and that curve is great Click here to enlarge
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zombie1 Click here to enlarge
        Flip that sheet around and that curve is great Click here to enlarge
        HAHAHAHAHAH so true!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zombie1 Click here to enlarge
        Flip that sheet around and that curve is great Click here to enlarge
        Dude is such an amazing tuner he turned the motor into an N55
      1. Zombie1's Avatar
        Zombie1 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Dude is such an amazing tuner he turned the motor into an N55
        In all seriousness this man shouldn’t be anywhere near a car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zombie1 Click here to enlarge
        In all seriousness this man shouldnít be anywhere near a car.
        I may have struck a nerve:

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      1. subaru335i's Avatar
        subaru335i -
        Not sure whats going on here but STI Mikey (Mikey Botti) helped start Phatbotti tuning (in CA which was Ron Watson and Mikey Botti) is not an "instagram tooner" he and Ron are VERY well known and respected in the Subaru world for a loooooong time.

        Mikey is one of the "in house tuners" for The Shop CT which is also legit and really big with the new Supra now.

        Not saying anything about this "record" or whatever but Mikey is a friend of a friend and he is for sure not an unknown rando on instagram.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        Not saying anything about this "record" or whatever but Mikey is a friend of a friend and he is for sure not an unknown rando on instagram.
        I see the Subaru work and it seems to be great so how do you excuse this Supra?
      1. Wgr73's Avatar
        Wgr73 -
        Pure turbos and nitrous?!! Loool

        You guys realize Mikey has held records in almost every platform he’s touched, right? Tons and tons of keyboard warrior haters in here. Anybody who knows the B58 motor knows this is not a concern.

        voltage clamps...smh ...hahaha

        I thought this was a car forum. You guys should know a little bit about a little bit at least
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wgr73 Click here to enlarge
        You guys realize Mikey has held records in almost every platform he’s touched, right?
        Well he's currently holding the record for biggest load of BS in B58 tuning.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wgr73 Click here to enlarge
        Anybody who knows the B58 motor knows this is not a concern.
        Which is why he is 200+ lb-ft above everyone else on the factory turbo with the ugliest curve ever posted?
      1. Wgr73's Avatar
        Wgr73 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well he's currently holding the record for biggest load of BS in B58 tuning.
        Let me see some of your work in the B58 tuning scene. And no, it canít include a keyboard and a firewall.